Should we not have zoo's or just improve them?

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Should we not have zoo's or just improve them?
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 15 2016, 12:45 PM (904 Views)
+ Steve	Oct 15 2016, 12:45 PM Post #1
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	What are your thoughts on having zoo's? Are they a worthwhile educational/entertainment experience to have or are they completely immoral on the basis of animal welfare? I feel like it would be fine if we weren't so focused on making money from them and instead gave the animals adequate space. A huge crocodile for instance shouldn't be in a space the size of a bedroom all its life. Setting all the animals that are in zoo's (zoos? idk) free isn't really an option since most are brought up in captivity and would probably die in the wild, plus many are heavily endangered anyway. It's a great thing to be able to see, and in some cases even touch or hold these beautiful creatures but it's also deeply sad seeing animals like polar bears suffer in a tiny habitat that just isn't catered towards them at all. It'd be great if we could have huge nature reserves to explore instead so the animals could have a more natural experience. Like Jurassic Park, huge but still closed off so each main species can roam but not just wipe each other out. What do you think would be the ideal solution? (in DD to avoid Harambe jokes and such)
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Darker	Oct 15 2016, 01:02 PM Post #2
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	We should not have zoos. If teachers want to educate their students about fauna and stuff, then use a book, no kid learns anything in a zoo, they're way too entertained by the animals and their behaviours.
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lazerbem	Oct 15 2016, 02:48 PM Post #3
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Zoos are great for breeding, and honestly, in a good zoo an animal would probably be happier than in the wild. Regular meals and shelter, no stress, and entertainment for them too. But that's only good zoos I'm speaking of, ones that are accredited and examined. Large exhibits, good food, good shelter, and good enrichment can be found in plenty of zoos.
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+ Pelador	Oct 15 2016, 02:53 PM Post #4
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Good zoos are fantastic for conservation purposes. They can provide a safe, controlled environment for breeding and they educate the public about creatures they would otherwise be ignorant about.
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ZeldAlice	Oct 15 2016, 08:42 PM Post #5
Posts: 242 Group: Member Member #13,425 Joined: August 4, 2016 Gender Female Country Sweden	I completely agree with you Steve. Zoo's should indeed exist as long as the animals are well cared for and have lots of space etc.



+ Steve	Oct 15 2016, 08:48 PM Post #6
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Yeah I think it's important for us to protect rare creatures, especially ones that are rare because of us. But to have them in tiny boxes is just wrong. It'd be great if they could have huge areas devoted to one or two main species and then have some filler species. Like cheetah's and then gazelle's, being able to witness a hunt would be a great experience. Humans aren't nearly as connected to nature as we used to be, keeping everything in tiny display cases hardly helps.
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ZeldAlice	Oct 15 2016, 08:52 PM Post #7
Posts: 242 Group: Member Member #13,425 Joined: August 4, 2016 Gender Female Country Sweden	Steve Oct 15 2016, 08:48 PM Yeah I think it's important for us to protect rare creatures, especially ones that are rare because of us. But to have them in tiny boxes is just wrong. It'd be great if they could have huge areas devoted to one or two main species and then have some filler species. Like cheetah's and then gazelle's, being able to witness a hunt would be a great experience. Humans aren't nearly as connected to nature as we used to be, keeping everything in tiny display cases hardly helps. Once again, I couldn't agree more! And also, I Believe that it is very important for us humans to interact with both animals and nature as much as possible for we can indeed learn alot from them!



+ Son-Goku	Oct 15 2016, 10:07 PM Post #8
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Zoos are cool and a good idea so people can go to see animals all over the world that they normally wouldn't be able to see. But there's been a lot of cases of people getting injured, they need to have more protection and security. There should always be glass covering the area. I'm not sure how everything works 100% though, since I've never been to a zoo. But I think we should have them they just need improvement.
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lazerbem	Oct 16 2016, 01:26 AM Post #9
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Steve Oct 15 2016, 08:48 PM Yeah I think it's important for us to protect rare creatures, especially ones that are rare because of us. But to have them in tiny boxes is just wrong. It'd be great if they could have huge areas devoted to one or two main species and then have some filler species. Like cheetah's and then gazelle's, being able to witness a hunt would be a great experience. Humans aren't nearly as connected to nature as we used to be, keeping everything in tiny display cases hardly helps. Filler species? What makes one species more important than another? How endangered it is? If so, then a main species could easily just be a rare and nearly extinct frog, making filler species the more impressive stuff in that logic. Or is a main species just any kind of popular animal? Well then that seems incredibly soulless, giving more space to animals based on appeal to public. Also, setting up a hunt like that is incredibly cruel. Forcing the gazelles to be in the same area as a cheetah would drive stress levels through the roof for the both of them, and there's no reason to do it other than pure bloodsport. There's enough food to feed animals in zoos without resorting to hunts, which can end up leading to wounds on the predator in question or the prey if it gets away.
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ZeldAlice	Oct 16 2016, 07:52 PM Post #10
Posts: 242 Group: Member Member #13,425 Joined: August 4, 2016 Gender Female Country Sweden	lazerbem Oct 16 2016, 01:26 AM Steve Oct 15 2016, 08:48 PM Yeah I think it's important for us to protect rare creatures, especially ones that are rare because of us. But to have them in tiny boxes is just wrong. It'd be great if they could have huge areas devoted to one or two main species and then have some filler species. Like cheetah's and then gazelle's, being able to witness a hunt would be a great experience. Humans aren't nearly as connected to nature as we used to be, keeping everything in tiny display cases hardly helps. Filler species? What makes one species more important than another? How endangered it is? If so, then a main species could easily just be a rare and nearly extinct frog, making filler species the more impressive stuff in that logic. Or is a main species just any kind of popular animal? Well then that seems incredibly soulless, giving more space to animals based on appeal to public. Also, setting up a hunt like that is incredibly cruel. Forcing the gazelles to be in the same area as a cheetah would drive stress levels through the roof for the both of them, and there's no reason to do it other than pure bloodsport. There's enough food to feed animals in zoos without resorting to hunts, which can end up leading to wounds on the predator in question or the prey if it gets away. In my other reply, I totally missed the hunt part etc, and that I do not agree with and thus I agree with you, lazerbem, on that one. That would indeed be pretty cruel!



+ Ssj3vegito96	Oct 17 2016, 12:12 AM Post #11
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	If the zoo is taking good care of the animals I don't see why it's a problem. It's not like the animals would happier running from a lion
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Darker	Oct 17 2016, 12:19 AM Post #12
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Ssj3vegito96 Oct 17 2016, 12:12 AM If the zoo is taking good care of the animals I don't see why it's a problem. It's not like the animals would happier running from a lion ... You seriously don't see how f***ed up that is? Human example: How would you like it if I treated you well in a hospital for several years then suddenly tossed you into a tank full of alligators?
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lazerbem	Oct 17 2016, 12:27 AM Post #13
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Darker Oct 17 2016, 12:19 AM Ssj3vegito96 Oct 17 2016, 12:12 AM If the zoo is taking good care of the animals I don't see why it's a problem. It's not like the animals would happier running from a lion ... You seriously don't see how f***ed up that is? Human example: How would you like it if I treated you well in a hospital for several years then suddenly tossed you into a tank full of alligators? While I agree with your intent, I don't think he meant that.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Oct 17 2016, 01:21 PM Post #14
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Arguing that we shouldn't have zoos is an argument that doesn't consider or acknowledge the benefits that zoos provide--mostly conservation and breeding. Without zoos, our extinct/endangered species lists would be much longer. Now that isn't to say that zoos aren't bad, because they certainly can be. I love going to the zoo, but I force myself not to go because the city zoo where I live killed their polar bear by forcing him to live in conditions that a polar bear shouldn't be living in. My solution is stricter regulations within zoos. Don't buy an animal that your zoo can't adequately provide for 100%. Food isn't the only thing that's important to an animal's survival--you also need the appropriate climate, enough room for the animals to live in happily, toys, and anything else that the animal may require to be happy. Without that, you shouldn't be buying an animal. It should also be outlawed to capture animals and place them in zoos unless their endangerment is high enough; most animals should be bred within the zoos themselves and bought/traded within zoos. I'm not sure what zoo regulations are like today, so these rules might already been in place.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Oct 17 2016, 04:49 PM Post #15
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	lazerbem Oct 17 2016, 12:27 AM Darker Oct 17 2016, 12:19 AM Ssj3vegito96 Oct 17 2016, 12:12 AM If the zoo is taking good care of the animals I don't see why it's a problem. It's not like the animals would happier running from a lion ... You seriously don't see how f*ed up that is? Human example: How would you like it if I treated you well in a hospital for several years then suddenly tossed you into a tank full of alligators? While I agree with your intent, I don't think he meant that. This ^ Hospital? Why is keeping animals in a zoo compared to keeping them in a hospital? Edit: wait I wasn't thinking of releasing zoo animals into the wild if that's what you mean Edited by Ssj3vegito96**, Oct 17 2016, 04:51 PM.
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